Amazing Attractive Andrew Arrogates All the Attention!

[Andrew Monaghan]

~~~Congratulations!~~~

To Kat, because an Australian won the game (Sorry Shir >.<)

To Estelle and Dixie for making Final 2! I would ~LURVE~ to be sitting on those chairs myself, but sometimes that's just the way the cookie crumbles!

I would like to start off by saying that despite the fact that my vote probably appears to be locked for Estelle, this is not the case. As a juror, relationships with the final 2 do hold weight but they are not the only thing I consider. In this case it is pretty heavily tilted towards Estelle because I also feel she played the better game... but how a person answers their jury questions is an important part of the game so things are by no means decided.


Dixie

I kinda read your opening speech and was left thinking 'So being inactive is considered a valid strategy now?'. I mean I understand wanting to go under the radar, but whats the point of playing an ORG if you don't care about it? You said that you never had to sweat because you were never a final nominee, but to me it seemed like you didn't sweat because you were just playing a lulzy persona and this game didn't really matter to you. It just seems odd to me that you've been known to go for like 48 hours on endurance challenges in other games, but that you didn't even bother to do the final endurance in this one (and yes I know your gamble didn't end up biting you in the ass because you are a comp beast, but there was no reason not to attempt if you really wanted it). Taking the time to actually get to know the players in a game is important to me, and I don't feel you actually did that either.

That said, I will consider voting for you if you actually cared about the game. So convince me that you did. 


Estelle

You know I love you, but final two isn't supposed to be a cake walk for either player so I am not going to go easy on you. Anyway, you and I obviously worked closely together but didn't make it quite to the end. In my opinion I think that it was possible that we could have if we played the game differently. Around final 7 or final 6, I remember talking to you and we were discussing final 4 and I said that I would want to try and get to the final 4 with You/Me/Ryan/Talla. Talla and Ryan were both players that we had ties with, and both were gunning after eachother which could have put us at a good spot in the end game (instead of us fighting a lie-filled uphill battle at final 4). But you were just not down for that and took them out the next two rounds in a row. This allowed Dixie into the final 4 and she was able to comp-beast her way through the last two rounds and break up the two of us at my expense. Obviously you ended up making it to the end in the current scenario, so it worked out for you.

What I am interested to know, is if you had the chance to go back and do it again would you still do it the same way?


Both of You

I would like both of you to go through each of the evicted houseguests and list who in particular was behind their eviction. You may use multiple houseguests if you truly feel it is a tie. You may use yourself if you feel it is applicable, but do not use this as a chance to brag or as a chance to suck up - I want to see how clear your picture is of how the game went down, not who's vote you want to earn the most.

Best of luck to both of y'all!!!

[Andrew Monaghan]

Oh, and also one more question I forgot to ask to Dixie.

When you said in my eviction speech that I had been dishonest to you in the last few rounds it kinda felt to me like you were hurt by something I did and never told me about it? And that's why you tried to convince Estelle and I that you were keeping me before you evicted me? Were you referring to the PM at final 4 that I sent you about AJ potentially saving me but Estelle most definitely cutting me loose? Because if so, yes that was a lie but you were already trying to secure my eviction so my back was against a wall in that situation. Or were you referring to something else? It's all water under the bridge but perhaps you can clarify.

[Estelle Landy]

Sept 2, 2013 13:42:59 GMT -5 Andrew Monaghan said:

Estelle

You know I love you, but final two isn't supposed to be a cake walk for either player so I am not going to go easy on you. Anyway, you and I obviously worked closely together but didn't make it quite to the end. In my opinion I think that it was possible that we could have if we played the game differently. Around final 7 or final 6, I remember talking to you and we were discussing final 4 and I said that I would want to try and get to the final 4 with You/Me/Ryan/Talla. Talla and Ryan were both players that we had ties with, and both were gunning after eachother which could have put us at a good spot in the end game (instead of us fighting a lie-filled uphill battle at final 4). But you were just not down for that and took them out the next two rounds in a row. This allowed Dixie into the final 4 and she was able to comp-beast her way through the last two rounds and break up the two of us at my expense.&nbsp;Obviously you ended up making it to the end in the current scenario, so it worked out for you.

What I am interested to know, is if you had the chance to go back and do it again would you still do it the same way?

Love you too Andrew! I understand your vote isn't decided, even though BOO YOU WHORE! hahah just kidding - I hope you vote for who you feel played the best game, I just have my fingers crossed that you decide it's me. :}

Anyway, I know that final four scenario would have likely been better for Andrelle, but only in the sense that it would have been a tad bit more "equally" lopsided for the both of us. While Ryan and Talla likely would have targeted one another, when it came down to which of us (you and I) had the bigger advantage: I know Talla felt a stronger connection with you, and while I think Ryan would have wanted me over you, I couldn't be sure since I didn't have as big of end-game plans with him as I did with AJ and Dixie. In reality, it probably should have been a mix of Talla and AJ/Dixie in the final 4 with us-- but then again, the final 4 wouldn't have had the Ryan vs. Talla mentality and Talla could have teamed up with AJ/Dixie (so maybe AJ should have been there to make AJ vs. Talla?). I'm not too sure.

To answer your question, ultimately: no. I don't think if I had the opportunity to go back that I would have changed it. :\ As much as I want to be at the final 2 with you, I don't know if changing Ryan's and Talla's eliminations to AJ's and Dixie's would have changed much. I don't think that was our undoing, really. I think it came down to competition wins, and while yeah Dixie is a beast, I don't think she "owned" any of the final competitions (no offense, Dixie lol) but you and her were really close in part 2, and she beat me by 1 point in part 3. I know Ryan is just as much of a beast as Dixie, and Talla had potential as well, especially if she dedicated herself more.

Honestly, I would probably consider going back and changing everything if it would 100% guarantee you and I in the finals, but I don't think it's a big enough guarantee. Furthermore, if I had just stepped aside and let you take out AJ and Dixie, yeah I would probably win their Jury votes (and maybe Liza's), but in that case, even I don't know if I would deserve to win against you, and if it were you and me in the finals, I think it'd be important for me to believe I deserved it, if I stood a chance at convincing 4/7 jury members that. The reason I don't think I'd have deserved it in that instance is because if I didn't make my own moves, it would have proved everyone right, down to the comment Liza made on her way out, that I was simply your precious little Estelle. Ever since then, I sought out to disprove that belief and I feel like if I didn't take the reigns and final 6 and 7, that I would never have stood a deserving chance against you in the finals, and even if I won, I wouldn't have felt like I deserved it against you.

I hope that answers your question. As much as I wanted to be in the end with you, I wanted us to have equally deserved it, so I had to make some moves to get some kind of props. You had your time to shine the majority of the game, so I wanted to step it up toward the middle to the end so we'd be able to have equal chances to "deserve" the win, if that makes sense haha.

Sept 2, 2013 13:42:59 GMT -5 Andrew Monaghan said:

Both of You

I would like both of you to go through each of the evicted houseguests and list who in particular was behind their eviction. You may use multiple houseguests if you truly feel it is a tie. You may use yourself if you feel it is applicable, but do not use this as a chance to brag or as a chance to suck up - I want to see how clear your picture is of how the game went down, not who's vote you want to earn the most.

Okay, this is a bit difficult, but here we go!


I'm gonna give Aneal's eviction credit to... Andrew!
Let me start off by saying I was very tempted to give Aneal's eviction credit to himself, because I think he wasn't very active and that's basically what cost him the game, but I'm gonna switch it up and say Andrew. He was the HOH this week and even though Suzette won the POV to save herself, I feel Andrew was more in control since Aneal went and proposed the "A" alliance to AJ and Andrew in an attempt to save himself. In my eyes it came down to Andrew for this one.



Alec's eviction credit goes to Suzette.
She was the one who used the POV on Talla and confused a lot of people, so it sent the AJ/Andrew/Liza group into turmoil and forced them to nominate one of themselves via a game of rock/paper/scissors lol. This is kinda what sealed Alec's fate, since there was no way Andrew/AJ were gonna go home, imo.



Greg's eviction will be credited to Ryan.
He was nominated against Greg, and Ryan was the target this week, but he really went HAM (hard as a motherfucker) to earn the votes to survive this round. He campaigned to basically everyone and somehow escaped eviction and dodged the target.



I'll credit Brigitte's eviction to Suzette, I guess.
Suzette raised similar points as Ryan did as to why she should stay in the game, and she campaigned really hard to survive and it was at Suzette's expense. I don't think any one person other than Suzette was responsible for obtaining all of the votes for her to survive. Her eviction was the only one I voted in the minority for, I believe.



Suzette's eviction credit goes to Ryan again.
Once again, Ryan was nominated against her and campaigned for the votes to survive. I think he was supposed to be backdoored but due to the connections he formed, he was able to escape eviction once again.



Liza's eviction credit goes to Andrew, and maybe a side of Ryan/me.
This is kinda when out threesome with Ryan started forming, since Andrew wanted to turn on Liza/AJ, I think you were mainly looking at AJ but Ryan wanted to push for Liza and you were down. I think the most credit goes to Andrew since you were HOH and went through with it, but Ryan and I helped push it, since Ryan disliked Liza and I simply preferred AJ.



I don't mean to be cocky but I'm gonna give myself the credit here.
I don't think there ever was an original target this week, but I think Rory's demise mainly came from me spreading the Rory/Talla rumors which worried people, and I managed to turn people against Rory mainly in an attempt to save AJ anyway, since I trusted AJ more.



This one is hard, but I'll go with Talla.
Talla wanted Ryan out, but once he won POV (partially because Andrew/me threw it) Krystal became the default target, who Talla had nominated and put in harm's way. Talla was gonna evict Krystal in the tie and it just makes sense it was Talla, but I think Ryan, Andrew, and I played strong roles in this as well, for winning and throwing POV, respectively.



Credit to myself, I'd think.
I won the POV to backdoor him, and I made the deal with Dixie to ensure he left over AJ.



Credit to myself again?
I won HOH and POV to ensure the nominees stood, and I made sure AJ and Dixie wanted to evict Talla over Andrew, which was the best case scenario for me.



Myself again? With a side of Dixie.
Dixie won the competitions to ensure the final nominees but I promised I'd evict Andrew to make sure I cast the sole vote to evict, where I sent AJ out.



Finally, Dixie.
Dixie won the Final HOH to split up Andrelle, and she sent Andrew out the door.


Sorry they kinda got more obvious as the rounds went on so they required less of an explanation, but I hope that answers your questions, Andrew! Thanks for the opportunity and good luck with your vote homeboy. <3

[Liza]

This reminds me a lot of the 2008 elections.

"John McCain/Dixie. You're a republican and therefore you caused global warming and you don't deserve to get elected because you'll be Bush 2."

"Obama/Estelle. Why are you so damn attractive?"



And I wasn't trying to backdoor Ryan. I told my allies from the start I wanted Ryan/Suzette as the final nominees and didn't care who went.

[Liza]

Also, How is Suzette responsible for Alec's (my targets) eviction? Her intention was to save Talla & start a girls alliance. I'm clearly responsible~ A lot like his pre-game with you. Andrew had a pre-game alliance with Suzette but I'm sure you already know that. He thought I wouldn't nominate him because he didn't nominate me the previous week.

If you look at the votes it's obvious Andrew/Estelle/Ryan/Suzette were together from the get-go. Why vote to keep each other/turn on their other 100% loyal alliance members. It just doesn't make sense if it's not true.

This behavior shouldn't be rewarded. VOTE DIXIE! She's an honest player. She didn't need AIM or pre game alliances to get to the end.

[Estelle Landy]

Sept 2, 2013 16:40:10 GMT -5 Liza said:

And I wasn't trying to backdoor Ryan. I told my allies from the start I wanted Ryan/Suzette as the final nominees and didn't care who went.

Sorry I wasn't around much that round, but I wanted Ryan to stay from the beginning because I had just previously evicted Suzette (while she was against Brigitte) so I wanted to make sure she left since she was probably aware that I voted her out.

Sept 2, 2013 16:49:55 GMT -5 Liza said:

Also, How is Suzette responsible for Alec's (my targets) eviction? Her intention was to save Talla & start a girls alliance. I'm clearly responsible~ A lot like his pre-game with you. Andrew had a pre-game alliance with Suzette but I'm sure you already know that. He thought I wouldn't nominate him because he didn't nominate me the previous week.

If you look at the votes it's obvious Andrew/Estelle/Ryan/Suzette were together from the get-go. Why vote to keep each other/turn on their other 100% loyal alliance members. It just doesn't make sense if it's not true.

This behavior shouldn't be rewarded. VOTE DIXIE! She's an honest player. She didn't need AIM or pre game alliances to get to the end.

I wasn't on the Canadian side so I only got info from AJ/Andrew, so I'm sorry if my perception is off. I just felt even if Alec was your target, Suzette using the Veto to save Talla sealed his fate 100% because I felt like AJ/Andrew were more safe than Talla on the block, that was my only rationale for saying Suzette. I figured Alec was your target, but Alec's fate was sealed when Suzette used the POV, imo. You and Suzette are both responsible, though. Probably you more, since Alec would have left regardless of the other nominee, but Suzette did put the final nail in the coffin (from my perspective). Again, I was on the Aussie side, so I don't really know.

I don't know what you mean about a Andrew/Estelle/Ryan/Suzette pre-game lol. I evicted Suzette when she was nominated against Brigitte, because Brigitte was one of my closest allies. Andrew and I formed a F2 alliance right at the merge, or a little after, and he and I bonded so well and talked a lot. AJ is actually the one who told me more info from the Canadian side during the beginning of the game (regarding the "A" alliance, and the rock/paper/scissor replacement nominee formula.)

Yeah I bonded with Andrew and Ryan separately, but I brought them together to form a final 3 alliance around the time you were evicted, or maybe a little after. All the way up until then, Andrew and Ryan were targeting each other. I had no pre-game alliances coming into this game, even if I know/figured out who some of the players are along the way (for example; AJ, Krystal, Talla, Suzette, Ryan...), I never purposely exposed myself to them in order to gain information.

[Andrew Monaghan]

I find it kind of laughable that people think I entered the game with pre-game's just because I had a strong social game. I didn't know a single player going into this thing, every relationship I had was made while I was inside the house.

TBH Liza the reason I turned on you was that I just found you/AJ super shady at the time. I'm sorry if that was an inaccurate assessment (and about AJ, it definitely was), but I didn't want to have to put my trust in you which I would have had to do since you were a competition beast and would have probably been in power a few more times after final 9. So I cut you loose when the opportunity presented itself.

And I don't really care if you don't like my questions. This is my thread and I will ask them what I feel is important to ask - Estelle and Dixie played very different games so asking them the same questions would be an exercise in futility. You are free to pose whatever questions you would like to in your own thread.

[Dixie Kong]

Dixie

I kinda read your opening speech and was left thinking 'So being inactive is considered a valid strategy now?'. I mean I understand wanting to go under the radar, but whats the point of playing an ORG if you don't care about it? You said that you never had to sweat because you were never a final nominee, but to me it seemed like you didn't sweat because you were just playing a lulzy persona and this game didn't really matter to you. It just seems odd to me that you've been known to go for like 48 hours on endurance challenges in other games, but that you didn't even bother to do the final endurance in this one (and yes I know your gamble didn't end up biting you in the ass because you are a comp beast, but there was no reason not to attempt if you really wanted it). Taking the time to actually get to know the players in a game is important to me, and I don't feel you actually did that either.

That said, I will consider voting for you if you actually cared about the game. So convince me that you did.

AS IF I was inactive! You know I wasn't. You even admitted to me you were afraid that I'd be inactive at the start. That was the point! That was my strategy and I never once was inactive in this game. I probably have more pages in my Diary Room than most people. I never not care about a game, especially a game as well designed and hosted as this. It would be disrespectful to the host. So I had an easy time and it made it more fun for me... I don't think there is anything wrong with that I don't think you know much about me outside this game...because how should you if we never got to "know" eachother? Personally I feel outside stuff and other games should not come into play. If I didn't care I would be completely trolling this FTC, of course I want and will try to win, despite knowing the odds are not in my favor. My game was very unique and completely non-generic from the standard ORG winner. I love the way I played and I wouldn't change it.

I would like both of you to go through each of the evicted houseguests and list who in particular was behind their eviction. You may use multiple houseguests if you truly feel it is a tie. You may use yourself if you feel it is applicable, but do not use this as a chance to brag or as a chance to suck up - I want to see how clear your picture is of how the game went down, not who's vote you want to earn the most.

Aneal- Andrew - the Head of Household decided this one. Aneal was basically inactive and you put him up for eviction. That sealed the deal.

Alec- Liza - Once again credit to the Head of Household. Alec had a bad social game and Liza putting him up secured his eviction.

Greg- Greg - Greg is his own worst enemy and is responsible for his own eviction. He said he never played a Big Brother before and it showed. Nobody wanted to save him even against the likes of a bigger fish in Ryan

Brigitte- Suzette - Suzette had by far the most deals in the game at this point. Brigitte barely had any and when comparing their energy levels and fight to stay there is nothing to compare.

Suzette- Liza - She used her HOH to pit Ryan and Suzette, two power houses, against eachother and Ryan was a tough person to sit against. It secured Suzette's eviction

Liza - Andrew gets the credit. He had Liza trusting him a lot. He backstabbed her when, I believe, he was the person she trusted the most.

Rory - My HOH and my target so the credit to myself. I had a threesome with Ryan and Krystal and I knew Rory would likely leave if it at least tied. He was the only person that wasn't talking to me.

Krystal - Talla. Once again I give the credit to the HOH. She drew a line in the sand against Ryan and Krystal's pair and made it hard to argue why they should both stay in.

Ryan - Estelle. Her winning that POV guaranteed the replacement was going home.

Talla - Talla. Talla could have easily stayed over Andrew if she hadn't been caught in so many lies. AJ had every reason to want to keep her over Andrew by that point but their fights put a dent in that. Then when I found out about all her deals and the things she said behind my back I voted her out too. If she was more careful she should have stayed 2-0

AJ - Estelle. She evicted him and he didn't expect it.

Andrew - Dixie. I evicted him unexpectedly.

When you said in my eviction speech that I had been dishonest to you in the last few rounds it kinda felt to me like you were hurt by something I did and never told me about it? And that's why you tried to convince Estelle and I that you were keeping me before you evicted me? Were you referring to the PM at final 4 that I sent you about AJ potentially saving me but Estelle most definitely cutting me loose? Because if so, yes that was a lie but you were already trying to secure my eviction so my back was against a wall in that situation. Or were you referring to something else? It's all water under the bridge but perhaps you can clarify.

I feel you were being pretty fake for awhile and the nice guy act was just that..an act. (Not that you aren't nice outside the game I'm sure you are) So yes your PM message is just an example of the way you were acting with me and I got the sense you felt I was dense. (Which is my doing) But mainly I lied to you and Estelle at final 3 because I liked having the power to do so and break you up. Two people who claimed they ran everything finally had no control in their eyes. Dixie was power hungry. She's normally hungry regardless but Dixie liked breaking up ANDRESTELLE. Dixie hates showmances.


If I am being completely honest I don't really believe you are that open with your vote. I am not sugar coating or ass kissing in attempt to win and that includes me stating I don't think your votes that up in the air.
Thank you though, if I am wrong!

[Andrew Monaghan]

Thanks, I can see that you cared about the game and I shouldn't have claimed otherwise. That said, I think that there is a very blurred line between faking inactivity as a strategy and actually being inactive - by barely ever signing on to AIM (which I consider pretty essential) you straddled that line pretty tightly, but I can respect the difference of opinion we have on the issue. Dixie was a fun enigma to have in this game and I appreciated your presence even though you evicted me.

Thanks for your answers ladies! Best of luck to you both!!!

[Dixie Kong]

I have 3 pages of PM messages, with many of the messages themselves having many "pages." I think it's pretty clear I wasn't inactive but it was the impression I wanted because I am never able to play under the radar. The non AIM thing probably both hurts and helps me. It hurts me because AIM makes for a much easier time connecting with people. But the way I think it helps me is wow how on earth did Dixie dix manage to get herself to this point using that strategy? It's pretty clear I was not dragged here and I was a strong force to compete against. Thanks!