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[AJ Burman]

Hm, if Estelle's going to do a rating/ranking and comparison thing she should probably know what she's talking about and how to properly compare people to get their votes. Comparing people to BB9 players, GinaMarie, and BB14 Danielle is not one of the ways to do that.

And she certainly must've clicked the "ignore everything including facts" button. She's kind of making it harder and harder to justify voting for her and not really giving me much in the way of reasons to yet.

[Liza]

I felt like she was sucking up to me. Then again I was nice to her in during my questioning.

[AJ Burman]

I would've been nicer than I might wind up being if she'd been more honest on stuff about me so far.

[Andrew Monaghan]

Sept 1, 2013 20:50:44 GMT -5 AJ Burman said:

Why is Estelle trying to take credit for my work? Like, I was pushing for Andrew and Ryan to play nice before she was even aligned with Andrew in any way but via me. She never convinced me to "evict Talla" because I had been pushing for that since round 3, so you'd have to have been an idiot to think I wouldn't have evicted her when the chance came up. Also, there was no "Rory and Talla are close" rumour, and there was NEVER an AJ/Andrew/Estelle/Talla foursome at any time. Sure I want Estelle to win, but there's no way I can vote for her if she's going to keep trying to short change me and make up shit to try and look good in the Final 2.

I'm sorry AJ, I know we have had our differences and this isn't me trying to be confrontational, but I disagree with so much of this.

You tried to convince me first to fix things with Ryan, but she was the one who actually successfully did it. If anyone deserves the credit for that (other than Ryan himself!) it would be her. She was on AIM with us both the entire time we buried the hatchet. (Which was why I was so pissed off that she put me in the position that I would have to evict him during my final 6 HoH, but I still didn't want to blow things up with her so I couldn't really vent my frustrations about that round very coherently without exposing things).

Also, there most certainly was a Rory-and-Talla-were-close rumour. I didn't really buy into it, but I remember hearing someone was a prediction writer in some Survivor game they played together? It might have been Estelle herself? IDK.

And there definitely was an Estelle/Talla/AJ/Andrew foursome. Sure it only lasted for like 1 or 2 nights in the final 7 round but it was the reason why Talla nominated Krystal next to Ryan instead of Estelle. It kinda died halt post veto when Talla nominated Estelle.

[AJ Burman]

Uh, Talla was never going to nominate Estelle next to Ryan that round anyway. And you can't have a foursome when one person in said foursome is against the idea, that's not how those things work. The closest thing to a Talla and rumour was the Talla/Ryan one that Estelle randomly pulled out of her ass as an excuse to not Veto me and expect me to still trust her 100% after (note, I didn't when she didn't Veto me at F8 despite there being no legitimate reason for her not to). Hell, Rory and Talla being in the same Survivor game was something that I told YOU after Rory told it to me, so if anybody would've started that, it would've been me, and I certainly have no recollection of doing so (of course, watch me have jinxed it and said somewhere in my DRs about doing just that). I know I "tried to convince you first", but it was much more of a "tried to convince you constantly", which is far different.

And besides, really, a 6? "Too loyal"? "Played for my alliance"? BB14 Danielle (who I don't mind overall via association with Dan, but still)? Like, I dunno, that stuff's kind of insulting and not the sort of thing you want to make up to try and get someone's jury vote when you know it's not true.

[Krystal Forscutt]

Pfft, I think I was the Jessie of this game. Tried to fit in but in reality, no one wanted to be with me.
I was a loner.

[Andrew Monaghan]

With regards to Talla being willing to nominate Estelle, I'm sorry but you are just wrong. There was a very strong possibility Talla was going to do Estelle/Ryan as the pre-veto noms.

Also you admit that you were aware Talla/Rory had played together in the past and even that you told other people about it, but deny the possibility of there being a rumour an alliance between them? You were not the only person I heard that from, but it just didn't seem like a big deal so it never really amounted to anything.

I get that it is insulting to receive a 6 and if I were in your position I would be pissed too. Your vote is yours and you can use whatever rationale you like. But it's hard to take your complaints about being ranked too low that seriously when you are trying to call bullshit on Estelle about things that really genuinely did happen and you just happened to be unaware of.

[Andrew Monaghan]

BTW I do think she overstated what she did in this game. But some of the particular things you brought up didn't ring true.

[AJ Burman]

I didn't "mention it to multiple people", I mentioned it to you. There IS a different. And I'm not trying to call bullshit on "stuff I was unaware of", I was calling bullshit on my role in things, place in situations, and what I've done being massively downplayed. Like, I came into this Final 2 session hoping to have a lot of true things brought out so all of us would know a lot more of the truth of what's happened, but that's not what we're getting, so it's making me a bit frustrated. I don't necessarily blame them for trying to play themselves up, but you have to show respect to your jury by keeping things relatively close at least. I'm not trying to start anything, it's just like I said, something that's frustrating and annoying a bit.

[Liza]

I think Dixie is more deserving simply because it's clear Estelle joined with other people based on her answers. (Andrew and Ryan) Dixie got to the finals by herself and wasn't carried by stronger allies.

[AJ Burman]

I don't see how a "I wanted us to equally deserve it" thing really makes sense. You never want your F2 opponent to "deserve it" as much as you, do you? And like I've said, I always felt Andrew's game was opposite to mine in that while I was still able to get a lot done without comp wins, he was mostly able to get a few things done as a result of them. I know he'll likely take that to be an insult, but it's not. It's just I don't know how many things he did he'd still be able to do without all of the HOH wins.

Also, I'm not sure how Ryan gets credit for Suzette going home. I mean, that was mostly you Liza, and a bit me. Hell, you put up Ryan after you won the Veto to make sure Talla's enemies still evicted Suzette, if I'm not mistaken. Plus, on Ryan going, he would've gone regardless of who Estelle used the Veto on, so I'm not sure how much of a viable argument that is. I already touched on the Talla thing though, since everybody pretty much knows that I never needed convincing to evict Talla as I wanted her to go at times that nobody else did.


And, is Andrew's pre-game similar to the one I supposedly had with him when Suzette brought up how the three of us were in a Big Brother game once a couple of years ago? Or is it in the same category as the rumours that Estelle had been planning to throw the Final HOH? Who even knows, anymore. 

[Andrew Monaghan]

Sept 2, 2013 17:07:06 GMT -5 AJ Burman said:

I don't see how a "I wanted us to equally deserve it" thing really makes sense. You never want your F2 opponent to "deserve it" as much as you, do you? And like I've said, I always felt Andrew's game was opposite to mine in that while I was still able to get a lot done without comp wins, he was mostly able to get a few things done as a result of them. I know he'll likely take that to be an insult, but it's not. It's just I don't know how many things he did he'd still be able to do without all of the HOH wins.

Also, I'm not sure how Ryan gets credit for Suzette going home. I mean, that was mostly you Liza, and a bit me. Hell, you put up Ryan after you won the Veto to make sure Talla's enemies still evicted Suzette, if I'm not mistaken. Plus, on Ryan going, he would've gone regardless of who Estelle used the Veto on, so I'm not sure how much of a viable argument that is. I already touched on the Talla thing though, since everybody pretty much knows that I never needed convincing to evict Talla as I wanted her to go at times that nobody else did.

And, is Andrew's pre-game similar to the one I supposedly had with him when Suzette brought up how the three of us were in a Big Brother game once a couple of years ago? Or is it in the same category as the rumours that Estelle had been planning to throw the Final HOH? Who even knows, anymore. 

You've said my game was competition dependent a few times, but I don't really see it that way. There were a lot of weeks where I didn't win a competition. I was a final nominee 3 times before I was evicted (the same as you), and only received one eviction vote prior to Dixie's. Two of those times were after I had won all four of my HoH wins, when AJ/Dixie/You all kept me around until the final 3. Sure I didn't aggressively target people while I was HoH (except Liza), but I used them as opportunities to build relationships with people as best I could, and I think I was pretty succesful at it, considering I worked with almost everyone in the game at one point or another.

Also, I don't mean to be awkward but Suzette had no clue who you were. It was Estelle who let it slip to me, but she didn't know we had been in the game together when she said it. I didn't want to screw over her relationship with you so I lied and said it was Suzette (since it seemed believable).

And for the record I did not have a pregame alliance coming into this game. I didn't even know who anyone was until around final 9 or final 8 rounds.

[AJ Burman]

I didn't say it was based purely on those, nor was I attempting to. I just meant there were some things I wasn't sure would've been things you could've gotten to go that way had someone else won them. And well, I wouldn't have kept you around until F3.

That it's Estelle and not Suzette that was in that game with us is whatever anyway, but I know you and I had the discussion about things and that from way back before F10.

[Andrew Monaghan]

I agree that if I hadn't won competitions this game would have been very different for me. But I did win those comps, and I was a threat from the beginning so I had to play with that in mind... My biggest goal whenever I was in power was to keep around the people I had good relationships with and get rid of someone I was more on the outs with. If it was my #1 target, that was good and all, but I wasn't going to push for it to the extent that I made people feel like I was forcing their decision. It didn't really matter who left, and if I wasn't actively campaigning I was usually able to keep a somewhat decent relationship the remaining nominee.

Also that discussion did not happen in final 10. It happened in final 6, shortly before I nominated you instead of Ryan.

[AJ Burman]

It was actually closer to F8 now that I check, (as it came around the time I stayed 4-1, which would mean 5 voters, 1 HOH, and 2 nominees) but fair enough. Though, you'll understand me scoffing at the "keeping people you had good relationships with" thing when you put me up twice. And well, all that, but I get what you're saying.